{"id":14115,"date":"2021-04-07T14:13:14","date_gmt":"2021-04-07T18:13:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/orionscoldfire.com\/?p=14115"},"modified":"2021-04-07T14:13:14","modified_gmt":"2021-04-07T18:13:14","slug":"thoughts-about-the-conversation-between-michael-anton-and-curtis-yarvin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/orionscoldfire.com\/index.php\/2021\/04\/07\/thoughts-about-the-conversation-between-michael-anton-and-curtis-yarvin\/","title":{"rendered":"Thoughts About the Conversation Between Michael Anton and Curtis Yarvin"},"content":{"rendered":"

Recently I watched a discussion on the Jack Murphy Live show that featured Michael Anton and Curtis Yarvin<\/a>.\u00a0 If you are unfamiliar with either one of them, I\u2019ll say a few words about them.<\/p>\n

Michael Anton was a former senior national security official in the Trump administration but is best known for writing the “The Flight 93 Election” back in March 2016 under the pseudonym Publius Decius Mus.\u00a0 He received graduate education at Claremont Graduate University where he learned from faculty that followed in the tradition of noted academic Leo Strauss.\u00a0 Anton is a social conservative and a pretty pessimistic critic of the current state of American politics.\u00a0 With the failure of the 2020 election Anton does not believe the Republicans will ever win the presidency again.<\/p>\n

Curtis Yarvin is a computer scientist who also has become known for his political beliefs which some have called “neo-reactionary.”\u00a0 Yarvin believes that government should be almost like the management of a publicly owned corporation with the CEO taking the place of the \u201cking\u201d and the citizens as stockholders.\u00a0 He also had a pseudonym under which he wrote his thoughts, Mencius Moldbug.\u00a0 Yarvin is extremely unenthusiastic about democracy in general and doesn\u2019t hold out much hope for the American form at this point in its evolution.<\/p>\n

Anton and Yarvin are both very smart guys.\u00a0 They\u2019re both academics in a sense.\u00a0 Both of them would be part of the elite if they happened to follow left-wing ideologies.\u00a0 Because of what they do believe they are pariahs in our present political climate.\u00a0 I think listening to them in the discussion both of them are extremely pessimistic about the United States escaping from the control of the progressive corporate, bureaucratic, academic complex.<\/p>\n

So why listen to these guys talk?\u00a0 Well, that\u2019s a good question.\u00a0 Neither of them has an action plan to reverse the damage and move things back to a normal country.\u00a0 There isn\u2019t a website where I can join the underground and fight for the day when we take back the country.\u00a0 I think I read them so I can feel like I shouldn\u2019t just give up.\u00a0 As long as I know that there are other intelligent people who don\u2019t accept the idea that there is no use resisting the woke state, I feel like I can figure out a way to hold onto the good things that used to be the basis of our way of life.<\/p>\n

I can think of one line that Yarvin made pretty close to the end of the video.\u00a0 When asked what he thought people should do he said no one should try to use force to stand up to the feds alone.\u00a0 That would be suicide and it would accomplish the opposite of what you intended.\u00a0 That would be sort of what happened on January 6th<\/sup>.\u00a0 The government would destroy you and use it as a propaganda argument for destroying everyone else they didn\u2019t like.\u00a0 Instead, he said we need to say no!\u00a0 <\/strong><\/p>\n

In other words, we have to figure out a way to reject their program.\u00a0 We need to build up organizations, businesses, groups that don\u2019t depend on their approval.\u00a0 There\u2019s nothing new about that message.\u00a0 That\u2019s the old \u201cbuild your own platforms\u201d line.\u00a0 But what he is saying is that it\u2019s the only way.\u00a0 And we need everyone on our side, all 70 or 100 million of us to form a single organization to say no to what is going on. \u00a0And that\u2019s the only encouragement I take from all this.\u00a0 If two guys like Anton and Yarvin sort of agree about where we are and what we must do then basically the whole gamut of people who aren\u2019t leftists agree.\u00a0 We have to stop trying to do everything at once and take concrete steps one at a time.\u00a0 First order of business, we pool our resources and identify one important thing we can get done and do it.\u00a0 Maybe we decide that the most important possible thing is crushing Amazon.\u00a0 And maybe we buy the votes of Democrat senators and congressmen to make it happen.\u00a0 But we move heaven and earth and we get it done.\u00a0 That alone would be an enormous shot in the arm for our country.\u00a0 Suddenly a million small stores all over the country would find business that had been strangled out of existence by Jeff Bezos.<\/p>\n

But whatever it is we decide to do; rein in the social media companies or re-establish freedom of religion or outlaw child transgender mutilation; we need to win a battle and win it decisively.\u00a0 Donald Trump and Peter Thiel are renegade members of the elite.\u00a0 They are the ones with the resources to organize new platforms.\u00a0 Anton and Yarvin are members of the intellectual class who would disseminate the ideas and help implement the actions we want to see happen.\u00a0 We are to some extent their customers.<\/p>\n

We want to hear more and soon about any real plan to get something new started.\u00a0 Anyone who has the ambition to lead a movement has a once in a lifetime opportunity right now.\u00a0 We\u2019re ready to be led.\u00a0 There is a nation looking for a savior.\u00a0 We could make this a great country again.\u00a0 If that doesn\u2019t happen soon then we need to leave.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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