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I have been an advocate of dialog on the Right.\u00a0 And recently there has been quite a bit of it.<\/a>\u00a0 And now I think I can see the present limits of what can be achieved by dialog.\u00a0 Based on what I have seen I would say that at the point on the Dissident Right where Civic Nationalism starts to be viewed as anathema, then from there on, common ground can no longer exist with the more mainstream right.\u00a0 The level of hostility is too extreme to allow for civility or even meaningful communication.<\/p>\n

So be it.\u00a0 But that still leaves plenty of latitude for dialog.\u00a0 After all, the Z-Man and Paul Gottfried have several times shared the stage on various podcasts and they have been extremely cordial.\u00a0 And Gottfried and Anton have debated on the pages of various right-wing publications with clearly evident collegial respect and politeness.\u00a0 So, there is a bridge across the chasm but it is more of a shuttle that on its own can visit the two sides.<\/p>\n

I can see the point of view of both these sides.\u00a0 But I will say I have more sympathy for Anton because he has extended himself to try to communicate across the divide in a friendly manner.\u00a0 The Z-Man was far from friendly.\u00a0 In fact, he was pointedly hostile and rude. \u00a0And maybe that\u2019s the requirement of the position he has staked out.\u00a0 He has readers who exceed him in their anger toward any moderate figure or group in America.\u00a0 Maybe politeness toward someone like Anton is a disqualifying act.\u00a0 But maybe I\u2019m wrong about that.\u00a0 Maybe he truly feels that Anton is part of the enemy he faces.\u00a0 And that is every man\u2019s prerogative; to select his own friends and enemies.\u00a0 But I give the moral high ground to Anton.\u00a0 He wasn\u2019t demanding any concessions, only extending an olive branch or a flag of truce for a parley.<\/p>\n

Almost equally I think I know why the Dissident Right resents the Civic Nationalists.\u00a0 They see them as the descendants of the mainstream conservatives who allowed themselves to be led along by the Buckleyites and the Neo-Conservatives and never did anything to prevent the takeover of the country by the Left.\u00a0 They see the egalitarianism of the Civic Nationalists as the stepping stone to all the evils we see today; the LGBTQ madness and the destruction of personal freedoms in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion.\u00a0 And there\u2019s some truth in that.\u00a0 In fact, I feel I was one of the pawns who believed in men like George Bush Jr. and his endless wars that accomplished nothing but killing Americans.<\/p>\n

I see myself as someone who sees both sides of this divide.\u00a0 But even though I have sympathy for the dissidents I think Anton\u2019s side is where there may be a chance to take constructive action.\u00a0 Someone like Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis will reach out to a Michael Anton or a JD Vance because they are interested in practical steps that can actually be accomplished.\u00a0 Anton has reached out to people on the fringes of the Right like Curtis Yarvin and BAP in order to try to understand their point of view.\u00a0 And while his viewpoint is still quite different from any of these people he is at least engaging in dialog.\u00a0 And if nothing else it allows for some measure of coordination on practical things like supporting political candidates and networking.<\/p>\n

I guess I shouldn\u2019t be too surprised at how this contact between two worlds ended up.\u00a0 But I am a little disappointed.\u00a0 I wasn\u2019t hoping for rapprochement but some kind of dialog and d\u00e9tente with a little glasnost thrown in for good measure.\u00a0 Oh well.<\/p>\n

But something was learned and nowadays that\u2019s the first step to constructive actions.\u00a0 Apparently, it\u2019s not yet time for the opposite ends of the Right to talk to each other.\u00a0 Whatever coordination gets done it will not include the Dissident Right.\u00a0 At least not yet.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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