{"id":26615,"date":"2023-12-02T10:43:07","date_gmt":"2023-12-02T15:43:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/orionscoldfire.com\/?p=26615"},"modified":"2023-12-03T13:24:46","modified_gmt":"2023-12-03T18:24:46","slug":"guest-contributor-glenn-w-02dec2023-dissident-monarchists","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/orionscoldfire.com\/index.php\/2023\/12\/02\/guest-contributor-glenn-w-02dec2023-dissident-monarchists\/","title":{"rendered":"Guest Contributor &#8211; Glenn W &#8211; 02DEC2023 &#8211; Dissident Monarchists"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Hi photog,<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m a reviled civic nationalist just like you but you shouldn\u2019t put more weight on successful predictions by the dissident right than they deserve. I realized in 2004-2006, when Republicans had the presidency and both houses of congress, that we were in deep do-do. With Republican control nothing changed. Literally, nothing changed. While I like to think I\u2019m smarter than the average bear it doesn\u2019t mean that I have a solution for all that ails the U.S. any more than the dissident right does.<\/p>\n<p>Before I stopped following the Zman (please don\u2019t think I have a grudge against him, I just know him better than most) he was reading a lot about Karl Marx and the early Russian communists. Zman was impressed by their sharp social criticisms; they did an excellent job of diagnosing the problems 19th century Europe was facing. The elephant in the room with the Marxists was their solution to these problems was horrific. Seeing a problem doesn\u2019t mean you can solve it.<\/p>\n<p>I hate to say it but a lot of what is happening in the U.S. right now reminds me of problems I used to associate with South America; a loss of the middle class\u00a0and large slums. When I was younger I would wonder why the ruling classes in these countries didn\u2019t do more to encourage the development of a middle class. As time passed I realized that the ruling classes in those countries liked things that way, they liked being an aristocracy that lorded it over the peasants. They had a class identity and not a national identity. I think that\u2019s where the U.S. is now but the dissident right solution of moving toward monarchy is not a solution. All it will do is formalize the class distinctions we\u2019re already seeing.<\/p>\n<p>At least that\u2019s how I see it.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Comment from TomD<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>I\u2019m not certain I see that it is the far right moving to a monarchy. It seem that the current trend of the concentration of all power into the executive branch and the underlying administrative state would come closest to a de facto monarchy. And that looks to be a feature of a significant portion of the entire ruling class, regardless of party affiliation.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Please expand on the equation of far right to monarchy.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Reply by Glenn W<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Hi Tom,<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u00a0<\/em><br \/>\n<em>When I wrote the comment about monarchy I had in mind an argument that Zman has made on many occasions where he compares our modern democracy with a monarchy. Zman argues that being in the white hot spotlight of an election discourages any self respecting person from running in the first place. Over time the sane people are boiled off and only the most superficial people would consider running for election to any public office. This how we get congress critters like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortes in office. He then compares the democratic clown show to a monarchy where the king has to keep the people happy or risk being toppled from power. That is an over simplification but not by much.<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u00a0<\/em><br \/>\n<em>To be fair, Zman probably isn\u2019t advocating for monarchy but he does consider it to be superior to any democratic system. What I think he actually advocates, without saying it in the open, is some form of commmunitarianism (for an introduction to what that is please read \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/logia.substack.com\/p\/the-communitarian-option\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow ugc\">The Communitarian Option<\/a>\u201d).<\/em><br \/>\n<em>\u00a0<\/em><br \/>\n<em>The common thread that runs throughout the dissident right, to use Zman\u2019s term, is its antagonism to individualism. Zman constantly hits on the theme that the voting public is a bunch of morons who cannot be trusted to vote for enlightened self interest. Of course that is the principle that our founding is based on and why he disdains civic nationalists. The details of what exactly the dissident right would like to replace our system with are always vague but it won\u2019t be a system where the hoi polloi are allowed to mess things up.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hi photog, I\u2019m a reviled civic nationalist just like you but you shouldn\u2019t put more weight on successful predictions by the dissident right than they<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_mi_skip_tracking":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_active":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_note":"","_exactmetrics_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[4024,1489],"tags":[455,4025,1596],"class_list":["post-26615","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-glenn-w","category-guest-contributors","tag-dissident-right","tag-glenn-w","tag-guest-contributors"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Guest Contributor - Glenn W - 02DEC2023 - Dissident Monarchists - Orion&#039;s Cold Fire<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/orionscoldfire.com\/index.php\/2023\/12\/02\/guest-contributor-glenn-w-02dec2023-dissident-monarchists\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Guest Contributor - Glenn W - 02DEC2023 - Dissident Monarchists - Orion&#039;s Cold Fire\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Hi photog, I\u2019m a reviled civic nationalist just like you but you shouldn\u2019t put more weight on successful predictions by the dissident right than they\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/orionscoldfire.com\/index.php\/2023\/12\/02\/guest-contributor-glenn-w-02dec2023-dissident-monarchists\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Orion&#039;s Cold Fire\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2023-12-02T15:43:07+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2023-12-03T18:24:46+00:00\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"photog\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:creator\" content=\"@orionscoldfire\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:site\" content=\"@orionscoldfire\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"photog\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"3 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"Article\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/orionscoldfire.com\/index.php\/2023\/12\/02\/guest-contributor-glenn-w-02dec2023-dissident-monarchists\/#article\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/orionscoldfire.com\/index.php\/2023\/12\/02\/guest-contributor-glenn-w-02dec2023-dissident-monarchists\/\"},\"author\":{\"name\":\"photog\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/orionscoldfire.com\/#\/schema\/person\/d11e80f83f3825ce9fe38a5303eb64d3\"},\"headline\":\"Guest Contributor &#8211; 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