07DEC2023 – Quote of the Day

Any institution is only a political structure. In physics and in morals, the laws are the same; you cannot build a large structure on a narrow foundation, nor a durable structure on a moving or transient base. In the political order, therefore, if one wants to build on a large scale and for the centuries, one must rely on an opinion, on a large and profound belief. For if this opinion does not dominate a majority of minds and if it is not deeply rooted, it will furnish only a narrow and transient base.

Joseph de Maistre

Guest Contributor – War Pig – 06DEC2023 – Human Rights

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Rights are an invention. Humans have no natural rights. We have what we can defend. No more. They are priviliges we have concocted for our society.

What good did human “rights” do for those murdered, raped and tortured by Hamas? Those who elected to jump to their deaths on 9/11 rather than waiting for the flames to take them? The citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Of Dresden? Auschwitcz and Buchenwald? A right is an inalienable thing. Strangers, mother nature, other groups and even your own government can and will violate your “righrs” at a whim. That is why enshrining the “right” of the People to keep and bear arms was so genius. An armed populace does not docilely board rail cars for concentration camps. But unless militantly guarded, that “right” is also doomed. Many Democrats are all for repealing the 2d Amendment.

If you do not jealously guard your “rights” and defend them with zeal and tenacity you will surely lose them. Life? Liberty? Both can be rescinded on a whim by humans, bears or earthquakes. Pursuit of happiness? That is a state of mind. Toss me in a dungeon or sit me upon Persian pillows with servants to attend my every need. I cannot be stopped from pursuing happiness, although there is no guarantee I will find it.

 

Guest Contributor – War Pig – 06DEC2023 – Identity

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Sounds ok to me. I am Germanic on dad’s side and Blackfoot on mom’s side. Of course there are various flavors melted into both sides. Dad’s side brought war brides home with them occasionally. Mom’s side has a small dash of Irish. She said an Irish mountain man couldn’t outrun one of her female ancestors. Dad’s side has a dash of Scottish and two dashes of undetermined Native American blood.

As a halfbreed I’ve experienced both acceptance and rejection from both races. Me and my brother look more like dad and sis looked more like mom. Go figure. So some natives think I’m an apple (Red on the outside and White inside) while some Palefaces considered me ro be another Red Nigger. Ya just have to let it roll off your back.

Being in both camps, most Black guys accepted me. After all, very few of them are African Black and have some Honky in their family trees. Other mixed folks get along as well. Very few Americans can claim pure ancestry if they’ve been in the US more than 3 generations. Even those who do so claim would likely be surprised by a DNA test. As soon as the Mayflower set sail from England people were fooling around ‘tween decks. Humans will fornicate with just about anybody. Even Strom Thurmond had a Black mistress for decades and a child with her.

So us mutts have a proud heritage of our own. We tend to be healthier due to a thing called hybrid vigor. Embrace your varied ancestry. After all, there’s nothing you can do about it.

As for the nation, I believe we need more Whiteish babies. Also we need to eject all the illegals who have bum rushed the border to provide Democrats with more voters and brown shirts. After all, look what happened to a good deal when the Palefaces were let in 416 years ago at Jamestown.

I also believe as the Founders did. Only those with a stake in the election should vote. No letting people with no property voting to raise property taxes. The masses will vote themselves bread and circuses as they did in ancient Rome and are doing so today. They can demand spending on their support by wealth redistribution, which is fancy robbery. When you rob from Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul’s vote. AOC once said that taxes are the price you pay for living in a civilized country. Wrong. Taxes are the bribe you pay to stay out of prison.

Guest Contributor – Glenn W – 06DEC2023 – Human Rights

Hi Arthur,

I agree that these ideas of rights are ours in the West, really the Anglo-Saxon West. They are the product of a particular time and place and most of us in the West no longer understand them much less the invaders. I also agree that there is such a thing as reality and it is important to discuss what that reality is. Our worldviews aren’t really that far apart.

Zman is big on western tradition which is great but he certainly values some tradition above other tradition (I know that’s not a surprise). Zman’s post disturbed me enough that I bookmarked it (see Survival of Rights). I think this quote lays it out well:

The thing they will not find among the decaying buildings, rusting vehicles and collapsed bridges will be piles of human rights. They will not open a door of some oddly preserved building and find a bunch of skeletons who had found shelter along with their sacred human rights. In fact, they will probably find no trace of human rights or any discussion of the concept. Given that most of our knowledge is now digital, these sorts of things will be impossible to detect.

 

 

 

 

 

The main reason for this is human rights do not exist. They are a thing that humans invented late in the history of mankind. People say that human rights are real and point to various authorities to support the claim, but rights are not real things. They exist only as a figment of our imagination, like the concept of lust. No other species has this concept so it is possible the aliens will not understand it either. It will be as alien to them as our entirely made up concept of human rights.

Without individual rights liberty does not exist. Personal liberty is my tradition and I will do everything in my power to keep it.

What’s My Identity?

People in the dissident right are fond of quoting Singapore’s first prime minister Lee Kuan Yew as saying, “In multiracial societies, you don’t vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion.”  Now I understand the rationale when it comes to a place like Singapore.  The cultural and social views of the Chinese, Malay and Indian populations are strikingly different and in a zero-sum game where losing means living in a society that would be highly antagonistic to your way of life, I could see how voting your “race” would be critical.

But how would that relate to the United States?  It seems to me that the popular culture is currently so strange to me that it couldn’t get any stranger if this became a Latino or Chinese majority society.  But in fact, what I notice is that younger, assimilated Latino and Asian Americans mimic the same weird standard culture that their white American friends use.  All of them use a sort of hip-hop patois that seems to have been formulated on TikTok or some product manufacturer like Nike.  Well, I can’t imagine anything more alienating than that.  So, I’m not sure what I should expect from the majority minority (or is it minority majority) future we’re waiting on.  In fact, because the worst proponents of anti-white bigotry all seem to be really pasty white, I can’t make up my mind how I want to fit into this scary future.

My experience has been that most of the problems with minorities in the parts of American life that I have had experience with occurred because the government (or schools or corporations) run by white people decided that affirmative action was a good idea.  Even in the terrible situation we find ourselves in today with the urban black underclass committing unsustainable levels of property and violent crime we could still improve our situation immeasurably if we just put an end to all forms of affirmative action and reestablished equal treatment under the law for everyone by getting rid of all the protected classes we’ve invented.

But what about the idea that I am better off sticking with my own kind?  The truth is my own kind doesn’t exist.  I’m a mutt.  Both my parents’ ancestors came from Southern Italian stock.  There is absolutely nothing standard about that population.  Just within my siblings I have a mixture of blue, hazel and dark brown eyes.  Hair (where it still exists and isn’t gray) is either dirty blond or close to black.  Skin color varies from very light to olive.  There are tall and short people and a whole slew of intellectual and personality traits exhibited.  I grew up in an Italian ghetto of Brooklyn.  But my neighbors included Irish, Jewish, Polish and Russian people and to be honest it wasn’t like the Italians were some quantum leap closer to me personally than the other types.  In fact, in grade school, my two closest friends were a German kid with ash blond hair and a kid whose parents were Irish and Italian.  A lot of the Italian kids I knew in the neighborhood (not all of them of course) wanted to be mafiosi.  Later on, they found out the hard way that they weren’t.  But they wanted to be and this made them extremely unpleasant neighbors.

Now growing up in Brooklyn in that time I was well aware that there were black and Latino neighborhoods where I shouldn’t go.  These were dangerous because the inhabitants were welfare recipients that existed in a lawless environment.  But as I grew up, I went to school with and worked with black and Latino New Yorkers that were just regular people doing their jobs.  Some of them I got along with and some I didn’t.  A lot like the various varieties of “white” people I lived among.

And in the engineering field over the last thirty some-odd years I have worked with lots of Indian and Chinese people.  Like their white counterparts some were good people and some were real jerks.  But once again, all the trouble I’ve seen surrounding them has had to do with attempts to satisfy affirmative action.  In fact, the most egregious cases seemed to be attempts to have women, mostly white women (and strangely mostly blonde white women) promoted above their levels of competence.  So once again this reinforces my thoughts about affirmative action.

So, to drive this home, who are my people?  Are they random white people that include most of the woke young people?  Are they Americans of Southern Italian ancestry?  To be honest, I think my people are people who identify with the culture that was forged in mid-twentieth century America.  They grew up believing that they could raise their families in an America that was based on working for a living and obeying the rules.  It was a simple place where regardless of race or ethnicity they respected the Founding Fathers for setting up the Constitution that guaranteed us freedoms and allowed us to live together without chaotic violence or poverty.

Of course, opening up the borders to millions of poor immigrants that won’t be assimilated into the American culture is an obvious disaster that must be stopped.  But the problems have been purposefully exacerbated by the Democrats and their shock troops like Antifa and BLM.  Now that the Supreme Court has begun reversing some of the affirmative action judicial decisions maybe things can get straightened out.  And after the borders are closed and the illegals sent home things can get back to normal.  Or maybe they won’t.

 

But honestly, I still feel that anyone can be on my team if he just tries to follow the rules and doesn’t tell me I’m the cause for all his problems because my skin is a light shade.  Anyone who can’t accommodate those two things isn’t on my side.  So, I hate to say it but my identity is American.  I hope that doesn’t sound too lame.

The World of Ideas

I was glad to get some interesting comments from both the civic nationalist and dissident right perspectives during the last few days.  And I’m especially glad that the writers were level headed and thoughtful individuals.  I visit various sites with all kinds of commentors who don’t always react to each other with, let us say, tolerant open mindedness.  And I understand that verbal combat may be more of a feature than a bug at some of these sites but truthfully, I seldom learn anything useful from the sort of mental arm wrestling that goes on during these exchanges.  So, kudos to all involved.  We’ve raised the level of internet discussion by several orders of magnitude.  Bravo.

I’m especially glad about this situation because I’m personally located somewhere on the border between the civic nationalist and dissident right factions.  While I consider myself a civ-nat I recognize that for whatever reason my political cohort has been guilty of incredible gullibility for decades and I’m tired of being part of a conspiracy of the ignorant.  So, I’ve been listening in on what goes on at the cool kids’ table and learning their lingo.  And I’m not afraid to admit that they’ve got a lot of things figured out.  But I also know that I’ll never be cool enough to sit at their table.  I just believe too deeply in the decency of most people when they’re all treated fairly.  I feel that if we run the game fairly, we can get people, all kinds of people, from the dumbest to the smartest and from the meanest to the most naïve to at least act decent.

But that’s why I’d like to have the discussion with people whose hearts are in the right place.  If you ever see the comments section of a Fox News article it’s remarkable.  There are some thoughtful comments.  But they’re drowned out by a flood of rage-aholics.  You could say that any site that has the traffic that a large outlet like Fox gets is bound to attract a goodly number of deranged individuals but from my point of view it renders the comments almost useless as a venue for the exchange of ideas.  So that is why I’ve been trying to find people who straddle that same line on the political spectrum and set up a dialog.  Because that political border is where I think the reality of our future lies.

We need to toughen up the civic nationalists to where they won’t let themselves be rolled by the progressives, while at the same time lure the dissidents back from the fringe where things get pretty dark.  My dream would be to have a space where a guy as tough minded as the ZMan would be willing to have a good faith conversation with civ-nats like Michael Anton or Chris Rufo.

Now this might be terribly mistaken.  As I’ve said many times, people must be allowed to select their own enemies and it’s ridiculously presumptuous of me to think I can judge whose interests are served by discussion and with whom.  These are all grownups and they get to decide which playground to play in.

So, let’s not use those names.  Let’s just use regular folks who inhabit the internet and try to see if the information flow serves any purpose.  I’ve heard lots of interesting perspectives.  And all of the talk has been quite cordial, which makes my life easier.  So, keep up the good work.

Guest Contributor – ArthurinCali – 05DEC2023 – DR to CN Reply

I took Zman’s assertion that natural or individual rights do not exist as the affirmation that these concepts originate in Western Civilization, and are not universal. Throughout my military career traveling the globe, this resonated with me as our ideas are just that – ours. One would receive blank stares from Indonesian bush folks if you began to try and explain these. This is why the dilution of Western countries by mass immigration (invasion, really) puts these abstract conceptions of natural and individual rights at risk under our supposed Democracy. For example, look to the polls of Muslims in the US and UK who overwhelmingly agree with the notion of living under Sharia law if they could. Or how varied the customs, cultures and traditions are in the Middle East compared to the West.

My biggest appeal to the DR side is seeing the world as it is and not how people ‘wish’ it were. This means that differences should be acknowledged and a sane and serious approach to societal ills should be employed in the areas of crime, immigration, and the well-being of the citizens in our nation.

Guest Contributor – Glenn W – 05DEC2023 – CN to DR Discussion

The dissident right (DR) certainly has an appeal to anyone who has watched the disintegration of American society and culture over the last sixty years (I am currently 62 years old). I found the DR critique of many of the United States current problems to be very insightful. In the end though, I think the proposed DR solutions to our problems will cause more problems than they solve.

I agree that Heritage Americans have been reviled and treated with a hatred that has surprised me. The question is: is that hatred solely an ethnic hatred? I would say that it isn’t. “White people” are strongly associated with being Christian. I don’t think that’s particularly true anymore but that is the stereotype and lefties love them some stereotypes. The BLM website at onetime listed both stable marriage between a man and a woman and deferred gratification as being examples of white privilege. No, those are examples of Christian morality. Of course ethnic differences are used as a wedge to fracture our society and it has been wildly effective.

Can different ethnicities live side by side peaceably? I don’t see why not in theory but in practice it may no longer be possible. The well has been poisoned and there may be no way back to what we were, the old culture looks to be gone. What is the DR solution then? After giving it a lot of thought I think the DR has settled on some type of ethnic caste system. One set of laws for thee and one for me. Anyone who believes in objective standards of right and wrong (that apply to all people) will find that to be a real problem. I know I do.

I would also like to ask: how should ethnicity be defined? Even in the founding of the United States the English weren’t as homogeneous as we’d like to imagine (see Albion’s Seed). Add in all the immigration that has already happened and can’t be reversed, it’s a hopeless mess. Lines will have to be drawn in the new system but no one will say how this will happen.

The thing that finally tore it for me is when Zman declared that there is no such thing as “rights.” Declaring rights to be an abstract concept that don’t actually exist, he dismissed them out of hand. If there is no such thing as individual rights then there is no such thing as personal liberty. Everyone nowadays seems to want to put a leash on me. Zman’s statement reminded me of a quote by communitarian Alasdair MacIntyre:

“From this it does not of course follow that there are no natural or human rights; it only follows that no one could have known that there were. And this at least raises certain questions. But we do not need to be distracted into answering them, for the truth is plain: there are no such rights, and belief in them is one with belief in witches and in unicorns.”

― Alasdair MacIntyre, After Virtue: A Study in Moral Theory

I am not familiar with the work of Professor Özkırımlı but the title of his book seems to indicate that his is a “critical theory.” This country is dying from too much Hegelian theory, do we really need more?