When Does the Break Occur?

When I was just a young kid, I started reading science fiction.  And why not?  Science fiction was all about rocket ships and there were real rocket ships going into real space right before my eyes.  And one of my favorite authors was Robert Heinlein.  He wrote all about the early days of man’s conquest of the universe.  And he built his own fictional universe with a “Future History” timeline that talked about how all this progress would effect mankind.  And one of the things he “predicted” was “The Crazy Years.”  These were tucked into the 1960’s and would involve the breakdown of social mores and widespread confusion and anti-social trends.  Reading it makes it sound very much like what the actual sixties were like.  And the prediction was that this breakdown of societal stability would lead to wars and revolution and dictatorships to address the lack of order.  By the 1980’s I was feeling bad for old Pops Heinlein when we didn’t fall into chaos.  After all Ronald Reagan had reestablished order on the shining city on a hill.

Well, time has shown me that I was too impatient.  I didn’t wait long enough for the end of the Crazy Years.  And who better to officiate at the climax of the Crazy Years than a dementia patient?  Good Old Joe Biden.  Joe has taken it upon himself to finish off the American republic for good and all.  He’s not working around the edges like his boy Obama.  No, he’s got his knife right at the throat and is just waiting to have Congress put the bowl out to catch the blood so they can pass it over to their vampires to gorge on.

But the Future History timeline also showed that eventually the Crazy Years would be ended by serious men.  They would organize and topple the insane governments that allowed their people to be victimized by the insane and the lawless.  Usually in Heinlein’s stories they would be military or former military men.  Only after order was restored would civilian government be restored.  But even then, things wouldn’t go back to the way they had been.  A lesson had been learned.

So, I have two questions.

  • How long, if ever, will it take for men to emerge who will say this has gone far enough and we’re going to fix this?
  • Will any changes be put in place to prevent the madness from coming back?

I’ve been trying to answer these hypothetical questions.  Probably it’s just a fantasy with little or no science to it.  But it makes me feel better to think I’m at least looking ahead.  If I was going to guess I’d say that it will happen in some area of the country where the proportion of normal people is still fairly high.  And how it will happen is that some city in this healthy area will start causing serious damage to the people in the suburbs and rural areas.  After that, the state government will try to address this situation and the federal government will try to prevent them.  And that’s where the flashpoint will occur.  If the state gets Washington to back down that will set the pattern for greater and greater state autonomy and less and less power by Washington.  And once the other Red States see this, they will follow suit.  That will be the tipping point to changing what is happening across the country.  New laws will be made to address the underlying causes of the instability and lawlessness and at some point, the Red States and the Blue States will have to recognize and formalize the changes to the way they interact.

But if the federal government crushes the state’s attempt to end urban lawlessness, then it will take a much longer time for vigilantes to start self-policing their local areas.  It will be a grassroots movement and it will be fought by the FBI investigating disappearances of known felons who went too far out of their home turf and just vanished.

Now, how long will it take to reach these places?  For something to be done by the states, that could happen tomorrow.  Let’s say anytime in the next few years.  For grassroots vigilantism to become a widespread phenomenon, I guess it depends on how violent the attacks become.  But I’d say it might take five or ten years for people to get desperate enough to stake their lives on it.  These are just guesses.

As for my second question, what changes will be put in place in a new national government.  I would say that the biggest changes would be mandatory gun ownership, codified right to state secession from the Union and permanent migrant control policies.  If I were to add anything to these three things, I’d add outlaw affirmative action and female suffrage and restore an all-normal male armed forces and finally start taxing companies based on what percentage of their workforce is in the United States.

So, the bad news is, unless some governor successfully backs the federal government down on the lawlessness they’ve unleashed, it could take a decade for a grassroots vigilantism movement to mature into something powerful enough to take hold and move us toward the restoration of order.

So, there’s my crack at being a right-wing Nostradamus.  In most of Heinlein’s books revolts went along with a lot of bloody battles.  And there was no guarantee that outside forces wouldn’t lob in some nukes to make it interesting.  But I gave you my best shot.  What’s your thoughts?

Results and Conclusions From the Poll in Fold, Flee or Fight

So here is what people said in the poll.

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Almost a third of people said that more than twenty million people will flee the blue states for the red states.  That seems reasonable to me.  Another quarter of people said the Republicans will do absolutely nothing.  And about 40% of people said the red states will do something about the federal government’s unconstitutional overreach.  And among that 40%, 15% thought it would include secession.

Somewhat comfortingly, more people thought the red states would take action than thought that nothing at all will be done.

It’s very difficult to make any hard and fast conclusions from this poll other than that there seems to be a sense that the red states are where we hope to see some pushback against the Dems.  What it says to me personally is I should be looking for a new place to live in red state America as soon as its possible.  And if I’m smart, I should start lining something up even before I think I’m ready to go.  Things might change quickly at some point and “want” could turn to “need” really fast.

My own votes were for Flee (2) and Fight (2).  I guess I’m more pessimistic than some folks out there.  And actually, seeing that there are plenty of people more hopeful than myself makes me feel more hopeful than I was before the poll.

Thanks to everyone who participated.  This poll has clarified some of my thinking.  I am now convinced that the nothing good will happen at the national level.  I see the federal government going after our freedoms and punishing us every way they can.  The best hope we have of improving our lives in this country is finding a state or states that are willing to defy Washington and make their own policy on everything from social welfare to the Bill of Rights.

There is something very liberating about making a decision.  Concluding that the Right will not be able to pry the United States loose from the Woke Cult is a depressing realization.  But eliminating the indecision from my thinking makes the whole situation a net positive.  It is much worse to waste time and resources on a lost cause.

So, farewell Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.  Hello Brave New World that has such people in it.  Many horrible things await me and much sorrow but at least I’m heading in the right direction.  And as the Chinese Philosopher Lao Tse said, “A journey of a thousand li starts with a single step.”  Knowing which way to go is the beginning of that journey.

From now on I will give less attention to what the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and John Roberts are doing and saying and more attention to what Ron DeSantis and Kristi Noem are doing and saying.  Of course, there’s bound to be overlap but I won’t agonize about threats to the filibuster or Supreme Court packing or unconstitutional laws.  I assume that all that stuff will happen.  I’ll be more interested in how the free states react to those kinds of things.  Will someone stand up to this abuse.  That’s what I’m interested in.

 

Update – 20MAR2021

Looks like fight is almost at 50% now.

 

 

Discussion from the Post “28FEB2021 – Reading the Tea Leaves”

 

I liked the comments from this post so much I decided they should be given their own post on the site Here it is.  This is exactly how I want the site to perform.

 

Neil M. Dunn

Red state legislatures should reinstate control over the election process B4 2022 for any chance of changing the House majority party and must reinstate control….B4 2024 if there is to be any chance to have Trump(or similar) become President. I am not optimistic.

 

photog

Reply to  Neil M. Dunn

Neither am I. PA, WI, AZ & GA should have already been galvanized by the November outrage. Instead, crickets.

 

NC_Craig

Like you, I was relatively okay with Trump’s speech. It sounded like a pre-election rally, a call to action of some sort, and a synopsis of why he’s great and Biden is not. Fine: Everyone listening gets it. He’s preaching to the choir. The question is twofold: How are we going to get back control, and secondly, Who is going to lead this process?

We now understand that no institution in the United States is going to stand firm for American values, laws, the Constitution, history, culture, language or borders. At least not at the leadership levels — people on the line, doing the work agree with conservatives, but the controlling executive and managerial levels don’t.

I think we can demonstrate with history, that in most situations people only learn things and move to action with pain. It would be nice if we learned through pleasure, but it doesn’t seem that way. If so, then it isn’t enough for Americans to wake up and see what’s going on around them. That’s been happening for decades, presumably under some sort of organized planning.

No; we’re too far down the road to socialism and American tyranny. Instead, we’re going to have to now live through the results of decades of apathy, inaction, and wanting someone else to do the work. As Trump said, conservatives are nice; Democrats are vicious. And we know how difficult it is to change human nature. There’s an old poem making the rounds about how the Saxons learned to hate. It will take a lot more, and a lot of real pain for conservatives to learn to be as strong as our opponents.

 

photog

Reply to  NC_Craig

Craig, I agree completely with what you describe. Somebody with a lot of courage and some brains is going to have to step forward and actually take a stand. And if he has a plan that will work men will follow him.

 

War Pig

Reply to  photog

But he or she will be assassinated or “cancelled” or have false charges of sexual harassment, etc, brought against them. If the bastards are now going after Dr Seuss, there is no limit to their perfidy.

They got JFK and Bobby Kennedy, almost got Reagan and even went after poor Gerald Ford. Frankly, I’m surprised Trump survived. The left is the party of racism, violence and assassination. They whistle up their brown shirt Antifa and BLM like Maduro whistles up his “militia”, both to suppress opposition to the regime.

I can see red state pushback but not secession. One pushback I’d like to see is the state basically kicking federal personnel out. Force all offices of the IRS and FBI to close and leave. If the feds retaliate with loss of federal money, then tell state residents they no longer have to pay US income tax, and dare the feds to try and enforce it. Red states put more into the federal coffers than they get back as it is. Threaten to have Military bases power and water cut off from outside the base borders, where the state rules, if the feds keep it up. Use the National Guard as the new state military and refuse to federalize them when congress tries.

If turned loose, the Texas Rangers can enforce the law quite well in Texas. FBI not needed. Also create another border just inside the US border and put up a wall or fence. Texas can then refuse to accept illegals.

I said many times that this was going to be the most crooked election in our history. I was right. The Democrats went after the election and they pulled out all the stops, every dirty trick in the book was used. Now they are in charge of government they will only entrench themselves further. No illegal act, no falsehood, no theft, no felony will be too bad for them to use in their quest for power.

The problem is, conservatives are basically decent people. Democrats are vicious swine with no moral scruples at all. They will support anything if it helps them achieve their ends. Murder, riot, arson, theft, vote fraud, lies, false charges, suppression of the Bill of Rights – anything. Things conservatives cannot bring themselves to do. So conservatives are always fighting with one foot in a bucket of cement and one hand tied behind their backs.

 

photog

Reply to  War Pig

You know War Pig, that’s all very true and I may be getting senile but I’m actually more optimistic since the election fraud than I was before. I think the farce that is the Biden Administration will do more to wake up America than anything Trump could have done in a second term. I’m hoping that one of the governors will step up and tell Biden and his goons to go pound sand. As I said I’m probably dead wrong but I’m feeling optimistic.

 

War Pig

Reply to  photog

Unless they face legal repercussions, they will continue to violate election laws at will. Until one of the mighty goes to prison, there is no stopping them. Why shouldn’t they steal elections? They get away with it, and nobody pays the price. When they steal the elections, they can stymie any investigation. Look at Ohio. The federal prosecutor in our area arrested the speaker of the Ohio house on corruption charges. He was building a case on the largest state-level corruption and money laundering scheme he’d ever heard of. But, he has now packed his bags and gone as Biden replaced him. The Democratic-leaning replacement doesn’t seem very interested in the case so far.

We would need a President able to drain the swamp and it would take four terms in office at least, with both houses of congress firmly in conservative hands for those four terms. That’s how long FDR took to fill the swamp.

 

photog

Reply to  War Pig

At this point I think if anything is going to be done it will happen in a red state. The federal government is hopelessly lost to the Left.

 

NC_Craig

Reply to  photog

The Federal Government is bankrupt, hence the unlimited printing of money. It will collapse, along with EBT cards and money, unemployment checks and so forth. Then there will be riots, mostly in the urban centers. Let’s see how well the Federal Government does in holding onto their control when the money runs out.

 

photog

Reply to  NC_Craig

Exactly how long the federal government can print unlimited trillions of dollars is unknown by me. I’m not sure anyone knows when the currency will collapse.

 

NC_Craig

Reply to  photog

Gov. Ron DeSantis – Florida

 

photog

Reply to  NC_Craig

He does seem to be doing a lot of things right. What might make things even more interesting is if he started coordinating with as many of the other red states as are interested to coordinate efforts. They could form their own League or Bloc. I think that could be very useful.

 

NC_Craig

Reply to  War Pig

THE WRATH OF THE AWAKENED SAXON

by Rudyard Kipling

 

It was not part of their blood,

It came to them very late,

With long arrears to make good,

When the Saxon began to hate.

 

They were not easily moved,

They were icy — willing to wait

Till every count should be proved,

Ere the Saxon began to hate.

 

Their voices were even and low.

Their eyes were level and straight.

There was neither sign nor show

When the Saxon began to hate.

 

It was not preached to the crowd.

It was not taught by the state.

No man spoke it aloud

When the Saxon began to hate.

 

It was not suddenly bred.

It will not swiftly abate.

Through the chilled years ahead,

When Time shall count from the date

That the Saxon began to hate.

 

NC_Craig

Reply to  photog

Jefferson Davis had an entire government in place for the Confederacy; including a currency and banking system. Lincoln had technology. In today’s world, conservatives have the technology, while the only thing the aristocrats have is a currency, and identity politics.

 

photog

Reply to  NC_Craig

This will be difficult and no one really knows how this will go but there are an awful lot of people whose eyes have been opened. It may happen faster than we think. We just need the right match. And I think that match will be a hero.

 

NC_Craig

Reply to  NC_Craig

(Sorry for the long comment, but I guess I’m passionate.)

I’m reading the comments, and it seems we’re all seeing the same thing: With control over law, justice, congress, and (of course) the bureaucracy, there doesn’t seem to be a way to change things. The single, biggest problem we all face is utter lack of accountability. Nobody has gone to jail for anything in my lifetime, and that spans at least 40 years as an adult paying attention. Yes, there have been one or two major cases, but we’ll likely agree that perps along the lines of the Clintons, Bidens, Pelosis, and so forth — the upper leadership of government — should be tried and convicted.

The biggest problem for the other side — the tyrants — is the size of the United States. Go back and re-watch the original “Red Dawn” movie, in light of today’s world. You’ll see numerous major flaws of logic, logistics, and cause-effect. People say we’ll become like Venezuela. And yes, that’s what the tyrants (or more properly, the aristocrats) want.

Okay: Venezuela is, what…the size of Texas? The US has all the resources needed for a completely self-sufficient nation. But the biggest (historic) distinction between the US and every other nation that’s fallen to tyranny, is the armed citizenry. People say that individuals can’t go up against a military. I would argue most of the military personnel are on the side of the free citizens.

When the Soviet Union was about to collapse, the general(s) and politicians who led the coup, failed. In retrospect, they said that the only way a coup, revolution, or insurgency can succeed is with the large majority of the citizens supporting that cause. With 80+ million conservatives that we know about as voters, I would say that’s a significant majority.

The logistics of actually taking control of this nation, as the aristocrats want, are nearly impossible. They would have almost no infrastructure support — conservatives overwhelmingly are the mechanics, engineers, and construction sector, along with farming, processing and delivering food, goods and services. Democrats control the large, urban centers. They don’t control entire “blue” states. Dominion voting machines make it appear so, but county-by-county vote tallies show the truth. Urban centers are extremely vulnerable.

We, as a nation, will have to be forced into a direct confrontation. In Germany and the USSR, when the secret police came in the dead of night, the citizens didn’t have guns. They could have used knives, bricks, table legs, or bludgeons, but they didn’t. Europe has a history of centuries of being led by kings, czars, and other monarchs or dictators. The people were almost genetically conditioned to follow orders.

Americans have only a history of liberty. Almost any child on a playground, when confronted, will say, “It’s a free world: I can do what I want.” Ignore the child’s argument, and focus on that automatic assumption of freedom. When the police (or foreign mercenaries) come for us, America isn’t at all like Europe. Many people will die, and those mercenaries will be far more cautious about going after the citizens (outside the urban centers) in a wholesale manner.

We should be optimistic, but not because we’ll somehow find a great leader. No; it’s because when things really and truly reach the breaking point, there will be armed resistance. And even if the military tried to side with the Administration, how many citizens would it take to overwhelm that equipment? And how many previous military have the skills to fly helicopters, fighter planes, and every other damn thing.

We’ve tried a peaceful resistance, with the voting. That failed, and I see no real attempt to fix it. We tried the courts, and now, with even Durham quitting, that failed. We’ll try passive resistance and non-compliance, and that likely won’t work either. Then “they’ll” come for us. And that’s when half the population will finally make a stand and say, “No!”

 

photog

Reply to  NC_Craig

Craig, you have thought about these things quite a bit. And lately so have I. I agree Americans are not Russian serfs that will passively turn themselves in to the secret police. But I do hope that a governor and a state legislature will show some backbone and tell the feds to pound sand when they come for the guns. I no longer think it’s a sure thing that the so-called conservative majority on the Supreme Court will protect the Bill or Rights. I despise Roberts passionately but he may not be the only traitor.

 

NC_Craig

Reply to  NC_Craig

I forgot the biggest adversary of all: the banks and financial oligarchy. Control the money, and you control the nation. That’s what’s behind all this in the first place: financial control of the world’s resources. Standing against that is the American foundation of free-market capitalism, entreprenneurs, black markets, and lack of “respect” for government in general.

 

photog

Reply to  NC_Craig

The banks belong to them. We’re going to need our own banks.

 

War Pig

Reply to  NC_Craig

“People say that individuals can’t go up against a military. I would argue most of the military personnel are on the side of the free citizens.”

The left likes to forget that there are something like 24 million veterans in civil society. Even if the military takes the left’s side (which I also doubt), they are short on manpower to occupy this entire, large nation, as you so accurately pointed out. Plus many of the combat vets have seen action in Vietnam and in Afghanistan/Iraq, where we beat the enemy at their own guerilla war game. Our veterans know how to prosecute a guerilla war, and enough of them have experience with IEDs to make any occupying force whish it had stayed in barracks.

Yamamoto said he had no intention of trying to invade the US mainland and “face a gun behind every blade of grass”. The old Soviet marshals said pretty much the same thing. You are both correct, the armed citizenry is the key to freedom. That is why the left is trying so hard to disarm us.

One leftist pundit said that; “if you need 30 rounds to hunt, you suck at hunting”: to which the correct reply is; “if you need a disarmed populace to govern, you suck at governing”.

28FEB2021 – Reading the Tea Leaves

I just finished listening to President Trump’s speech at CPAC.  It was a good enough speech but I’m dissatisfied.  I guess I understand what he’s hoping to do.  He’s trying to adapt the Republican Party to achieve the things he wants to accomplish.  And he did single out the anti-Trump members of Congress that voted against him in the impeachment farce.  I see him preparing to endorse primary challengers to these rats.  That’s fine.  I get that.  But I was looking for more.  I wanted to hear about action that could be taken before the 2022 elections.  That’s two years away.  That’s a lifetime of suffering away.  That’s too long to hang on hoping for election results.

I was talking to some friends today.  And I asked a few of them about how they think things are going to shake out.  Some said they hoped for the mid-terms to take back the Congress.  Some felt as I do that election fraud probably meant we weren’t going to be winning anymore elections.  I asked them what they planned to do to about living in the slave states we are currently trapped in.  Some want to move to free states like Florida and Texas.  Then I asked them what would they do if the federal government started to squeeze the free states with gun grabs and hate speech law suits.  They didn’t know.  And finally, I asked them if any of them thought that any of the free states would make a stand and push back against the feds, maybe even secede.  Some said no, some said maybe.

It all sounds a little discouraging.  But I’m actually encouraged.  Think about how people would have responded to these questions even four years ago.  The insane things that have happened in the last few years have been impossible to pass off as normal.  The COVID lockdown, the BLM/Antifa rioting and its acceptance by Democrats at the Federal, state and local levels.  The anti-white hatred being fostered by Fortune 500 corporations and the Silicon Valley companies practicing censorship of individuals and even the President of the United States.  Woke cancel culture and the suspension of freedom of speech.  And to top it all off, we got a close up look at massive electoral fraud spanning multiple states.

Millions of people are waking from a sleepwalking existence that ignored the reality all around us.  Now we can see what’s see going on.  The only real unknown is what will we do about it.  As you can see from the answers I got to my questions there is no consensus or even conviction as to what should be done.  But I see value in asking people what they think at the moment.  I’ll include a little poll to see what the readers here think.  I’ll follow up afterwards with my comments on the results.

 

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